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No. 1 Posted on Dec 31, 2005 7:02 PM Profile | PM | Email | Quote | Search | Copy | Favorite
What are the best remo heads for rock/metal drumming. I just join another band and it's a metallica/pantera band. I want a deep wet thump sound for each of my toms, which sounds good for playing live situations, and I want each head to be durabled, and long lasting. Should I use 2 heads for my toms to get the sound I want, or should I use just 1?


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No. 2 Posted on Dec 31, 2005 8:09 PM Profile | PM | Email | Quote | Search | Copy | Favorite
Try out clear or ebony pinstripes on batter with clear ambassadors as the resonant heads. That should give you a dark, wet sound.

What kind of drums do you have?

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No. 3 Posted on Dec 31, 2005 9:09 PM Profile | PM | Email | Quote | Search | Copy | Favorite
When you say live, do you mean miced or unmiced?


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I would say buy an unmuffled head like a clear emperor over a clear amb. Then, if you want muffling you can use it for each individual application. If you buy pre-muffled heads then don't like the muffling then you're screwed.

And definatly two heads. (Batter, resonant).



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No. 5 Posted on Jan 1, 2006 3:04 AM Profile | PM | Quote | Search | Copy | Favorite
If you're miked, then you can almost get anything you want.

If unmiked, then you're much better off with medium weight single ply heads.

If you want a rock sound, use rock tuning and then color that sound with the kind of head that will provide that coloring, like 2-ply, Pinstripe, coated or clear, pre-muffled single ply, pre-muffled 2-ply, or a combination between the toms.

And I definitely recommend both heads to remain on each drum.




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No. 6 Posted on Jan 1, 2006 4:35 AM Profile | PM | Email | Quote | Search | Copy | Favorite
Tim wrote:
And I definitely recommend both heads to remain on each drum.


So true. Its a shame sometimes when drummers just "give up" and remove the resonant head.

Experiment around with different heads, tuning, etc. You will develop a good feel for creating a sound you need. But for rock, try out some 2 ply heads.

Cheers!
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No. 7 Posted on Jan 1, 2006 10:12 AM Profile | PM | Quote | Search | Copy | Favorite
I highly recommend clear pinstripes over clear or possibly ebony ambassadors. This will give you that really deep "thump" you are looking for.

Also take the time to try different tuning. As you progress, you will learn how to better tune and then you can pretty much find almost any sound you want, especially with all the heads remo has to offer.

Also I think Vinnie from Pantera used Clear Pinstripe over Ebony ambassadors at some point.

Lars Ulrich also used clear pinstripe too, although he may have switched to emporers by now.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Good luck!



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No. 8 Posted on Jan 1, 2006 10:27 AM Profile | PM | Email | Quote | Search | Copy | Favorite
What era Metallica sound are you looking for? Cause at one point Lars used concert toms with pinstripes.


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lilblakdak wrote:
What era Metallica sound are you looking for? Cause at one point Lars used concert toms with pinstripes.

Then later a coffee can with pebbles in it.




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Crusher wrote:
Then later a coffee can with pebbles in it.


LOL, yeah.. that sound was dreamy



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I'm not sure exactly Vinnie used but it looks like he used Pinstripes and Ebony Ambassadors on his toms, but he's switched to evans and i have no idea what uses with them.I would go with Pinstripes at least though, because i think they both lars and vinnie used them at one point.


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No. 12 Posted on Jan 1, 2006 5:59 PM Profile | PM | Email | Quote | Search | Copy | Favorite
Cj360270 wrote:
Try out clear or ebony pinstripes on batter with clear ambassadors as the resonant heads. That should give you a dark, wet sound.

What kind of drums do you have?

Cheers!
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No. 13 Posted on Jan 1, 2006 6:06 PM Profile | PM | Email | Quote | Search | Copy | Favorite
fvgazi wrote:
When you say live, do you mean miced or unmiced?
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right now unmiced, but I'm going to soon purchased some mics, which mics should I purchase p.s. I'm on a budget


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No. 14 Posted on Jan 2, 2006 6:59 AM Profile | PM | Quote | Search | Copy | Favorite
But due to personal experience, I agree with Bob Gatzen when he said, "Start with single ply heads. They're the easiest heads on which to learn how to tune". When I switched to single ply heads, I was able to hear things I have never heard before and I was able to learn how to tune because of that.

And then when I went back to Pinstripes later in life, I found that tuning them was much easier because I recognized things that I heard from the single ply heads, and so I was able to tune them properly.

But I prefer the sound of coated medium weight single ply heads over clear ones because that's just what I like.

Anyway, I feel that it's important to know this.




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No. 15 Posted on Jan 3, 2006 2:42 PM Profile | PM | Email | Quote | Search | Copy | Favorite
i'm in a metal band and i use ebony pins over ebony ambos. I actually at one point used clear pins on reso with the ebony pins on batter, sounded really good, it was fat, warm, but didn't ring much, it sounded the same as using those remo o-rings. Hope this helps.


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I would go with the proven formula : pins over ambs. I've been using it for almost 7 years now, and love that fat tom sound.
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which drumhead sounds the best?
ZBT's are the shit man!
should i use remo O rings with my pinstripes?
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No. 18 Posted on Jan 4, 2006 11:01 AM Profile | PM | Quote | Search | Copy | Favorite
I guess I'd suggest Ebony Emperors over Ebony Ambassadors. That might give you the sound you're looking for.

Next suggestion, for a "wet thump", I guess I'd say Evans Hydraulics.




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ModernDrummer wrote:
I guess I'd suggest Ebony Emperors over Ebony Ambassadors. That might give you the sound you're looking for.


Don't they only make Ebony Emperors with the crimplock hoops?



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No. 20 Posted on Jan 4, 2006 12:29 PM Profile | PM | Quote | Search | Copy | Favorite
I say, along with everyone else, pins over ambs. Ebony will give you a slightly "darker" and more damped sound than clear.

As for tom mics, my sugestion is just to not buy any budget mics, because they will sound rubbish, and you will be wasting your hard saved cash. I suggest Seinhesser E604's for your toms, if you're on a buget of sorts, Shure PG81's as condensors, and Shure SM57s as snare mics. Oh, and an AKG D112 for kick.



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No. 21 Posted on Mar 31, 2006 3:42 PM Profile | PM | Quote | Search | Copy | Favorite
I think you need to really think about what sort of sound you want, rather than emulating another drummer because they play music similar.

I've seen too many lazy drummers go off buying all the 'custom' gear, or copying someone else's kit. I mean, one, it's pathetic! And two, it never even works!

So go and think and experiment, try other people's kits, and find your own sound. You might end up with a kit that sounds more like jazz than common metal, and that might be the cutting edge for your band.

Good luck to you, keep proper metal alive, none of this emo.


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No. 22 Posted on Mar 31, 2006 6:34 PM Profile | PM | Email | Quote | Search | Copy | Favorite
clear pinstripes /emperors or ebony pinstripes over clear ambassadors and i would suggest an ambassador on your snare or a controlled sound.i used any emperor x on my steel snare and it sucked the life out of my snare.thats just me .plenty of people like it.but if your snare doesnt ring a little it will sound dead when you mic it.


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No. 23 Posted on Mar 31, 2006 10:28 PM Profile | PM | Quote | Search | Copy | Favorite
This thread is old, and it was dead.

Let's let it go back to being dead.



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No. 24 Posted on Apr 1, 2006 5:36 AM Profile | PM | Quote | Search | Copy | Favorite
Way to make a new guy feel welcome.



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So far I have read2 threads here today and it has only been 5 minutes. Anyone has the right to bring up old threads and if Remo wanted it differant then they would put a time limit and the threads would either be locked or disappear. At least he took the time to look for the threads like others always complain that should do instead of starting a new one.



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